Here's a list of the ones I have right now in the Library - if you know of others give me the name and the URL so I can add them. I'm calling them affiliates but the idea is groups of creators who've banded together for artistic and/or business reasons. They should have about 5 or more members (approx.).
* Ape Law
* Biscuit Press
* Blank Label Comics
* Boxcar Comics
* Dayfree Press
* Dumbrella
* Hot Bullet Press
* Independent
* Pants Press
* Teh Gewd Guys
* The Nice
* UpDown Studio
[quote:ff2c001621="STrRedWolf"]Don't forget these publishers:
Keenspot: http://www.keenspot.com
Comic Genesis (formerly Keenspace*):
Keenspot is a publisher and ComicGenesis is a hosting service. Granted making distinctions among sites is not a perfect science but everyone would agree that there is a difference between Dumbrella to ModernTales to ComicGenesis.
I am not including the hosting service for a webcomic in the library b/c these creators are clearly independent in any practical sense of the world. They aren't part of any publishing arrangement with a publisher and what hosting service they're on has nothing to do with whether the creator is aligned with a webcomics collective or not.
But we will continue to maintain links to hosting services in the useful links directory -
[quote:7fd5868724="xerexes"]They should have about 5 or more members (approx.).
Define members. Do you mean 5 or more comics (by different people)? People working for? (For that matter, considering that we've four people doing work for Malakhim, does that thus qualify, even though it's one comic? Or Girl Genius, which is written by Kaja and Phil Foglio, drawn by Phil, currently colored by Cheyenne, and with other support staff as well...)
Just curious.
[quote:ec33aaea18="xerexes"]They should have about 5 or more members (approx.).
Looks like Caffeine Angel Studios is buggered, then. :(
Oh well.
[quote:fc5612a4e0="Rincewind"][quote:fc5612a4e0="xerexes"]They should have about 5 or more members (approx.).
Looks like Caffeine Angel Studios is buggered, then. :(
Oh well.
No, apparently 4 is approximately 5 since Biscuit Press is in there. :wink:
It's not a hard and fast rule but its 4 or 5 individual creators involved in a group together. The reason why is simply for readers of the library - if they like a creator presumably a group that the creator is involved with - they might like other work by those affiliated creators (also at some point I'll rework code so that a hit on the Boxcar page, for example will not only bring up a list of the creators in that group but also news storys tagged as related to them).
It's a balance I suppose - somewhere there's a line between an active ongoing group (Dumbrella, Boxcar, etc) and things that are not permanent or involved enough to warrant mention (either for lack of interest from readers or b/c they won't last long enough). So it could evolve and there might be exceptions for groups that are otherwise of enough note that they should be in the library.
And don't forget - any group of any type related to webcomics can go in comixpedia.org. I do look at that for ideas on what to add to the comixpedia.com library.
Before I clear things up, thanks to tyler for the mention; I didnt think you had recieved any of my emails. Rampage is not really a collective, just a hosting network not limited to comics, BLP is one of the sites I host. :D thats all, its just once in awhile I get people applying and then when I mention when they want to move their comic over they get confused.
Malakhim doesn't qualify as a comic group. Only I create the comic, the rest are support staff. Syl is there for the fact that I have the social skills of a deck chair, Jay is there to make all my cracked up technical demands feasible, and Rook is theoretically there to get the novelization done and provide some short fiction, using my characters and guidelines, for the weeks when autism freezes me up and I can't so much as tell people are trying to talk to me half the time much less put out a comic.
Thanks for the mention, though :)
[quote:b6d0a2c0d5="xerexes"][quote:b6d0a2c0d5="STrRedWolf"]Don't forget these publishers:
Keenspot: http://www.keenspot.com
Comic Genesis (formerly Keenspace*):
Keenspot is a publisher and ComicGenesis is a hosting service. Granted making distinctions among sites is not a perfect science but everyone would agree that there is a difference between Dumbrella to ModernTales to ComicGenesis.
I am not including the hosting service for a webcomic in the library b/c these creators are clearly independent in any practical sense of the world. They aren't part of any publishing arrangement with a publisher and what hosting service they're on has nothing to do with whether the creator is aligned with a webcomics collective or not.
But we will continue to maintain links to hosting services in the useful links directory -
Then I would have to recant my previous my statement and note I fall under this catergory, I do not run a comic, I just manage the other comics' sites and such.
[quote:ef455fa283="xerexes"][quote:ef455fa283="STrRedWolf"]Don't forget these publishers:
Keenspot: http://www.keenspot.com
Comic Genesis (formerly Keenspace*):
Keenspot is a publisher and ComicGenesis is a hosting service.
I am not including the hosting service for a webcomic in the library b/c these creators are clearly independent in any practical sense of the world. They aren't part of any publishing arrangement with a publisher and what hosting service they're on has nothing to do with whether the creator is aligned with a webcomics collective or not.
I'm not going to argue with you about ComicGenesis -- it's a community, not a collective. I don't like how you're essentially assigning it 'second-class citizen' status, but if that's what you want to do...
I am a bit boggled about how you can say Keenspot is a publisher, and then exclude CG because there's no publishing arrangements. Keenspot seems to me to match your your ideal of a collective.
[quote:0fca185969="RemusShepherd"]I'm not going to argue with you about ComicGenesis -- it's a community, not a collective. I don't like how you're essentially assigning it 'second-class citizen' status, but if that's what you want to do...
I am a bit boggled about how you can say Keenspot is a publisher, and then exclude CG because there's no publishing arrangements. Keenspot seems to me to match your your ideal of a collective.
Well I'd be the first to say online all of these traditional notions of organization are muddy and lots more fuzzy then offline.
First off I don't think we're assigning "second class" status to anyone. Anytime you try to organize things though you make choices as to how to present the info - my choices have been guided mostly by what I think will be most useful to a reader of webcomic looking through the Comixpedia Library. If I listed ComicGenesis as a publisher or a collective it would include so many webcomics that right off the bat one has to question what the point would be of knowing a webcomic was hosted on CG (same thing applies to WebcomicsNation).
A publisher designation implies that a publisher made a choice to about the webcomic in question. Keenspot tends to spot webcomics not creators. There's also no question that Crosby and Gav are in charge - it's not a democracy of equals like we associate with most collectives. Crosby and Gav pick which webcomics are on Keen. So that's why Keen is considered a publisher. (Also at various points, creators of Keenspot-published webcomics have been in collectives which also to me at least reinforces my instinct to label Keenspot a publisher).
A classic collective is something where creators decide to group together in some fashion - it's more choices about people then webcomics per se. Also they tend to be more about a coming together of equals.
Like I said it's fuzzy. It's not an exercise in setting up rules and splitting hairs - it's guidelines for me (and for you) to make the Library as useful to readers as possible. If people make persuasive arguments I'm listening and it's possible we'll change the way the library is organized if there are better ways to do it.
This thread is now the first Google search result for "webcomic collective". Bravo! Comixpedia is, for all intents and purposes, the list of all webcomic collectives!
[quote:49c5942981="rabbitpie"]This thread is now the first Google search result for "webcomic collective". Bravo! Comixpedia is, for all intents and purposes, the list of all webcomic collectives!
In which case I ought to post my updated list. This is not yet reflected in the online version of the library (this is for version 2.0 to come later):
Ape Law (edit term)
Bag of Chips (edit term)
Biscuit Press
Blank Label Comics (edit term)
Boxcar Comics (edit term)
Dayfree Press (edit term)
Dumbrella (edit term)
Eyeskream (edit term)
Found Hat Press (edit term)
Guerilla Press (edit term)
Hot Bullet Press (edit term)
Hyena Comics (edit term)
Panel 2 Panel (edit term)
Pants Press (edit term)
Probeersel (edit term)
Rampage Network (edit term)
Spider Forest (edit term)
Spider Spawn (edit term)
Teh Gewd Guys (edit term)
The Nice (edit term)
The Playground Ghosts (edit term)
Transplant Comics (edit term)
Truth and Beauty Bombs (edit term)
U Turn Creative Studios (edit term)
UpDown Studio (edit term)
If I'm missing anything let me know! Just keep adding suggestions to this thread. Thanks!
What about social groupings of webcomic artists, like the Washington Jam and North Carolina WebComic Coffee Clatch?
Personally, I'd love to know where to drop by for snacks and webcomic talk when traveling.
[quote:335573e18d="mckenzee"]What about social groupings of webcomic artists, like the Washington Jam and North Carolina WebComic Coffee Clatch?
Personally, I'd love to know where to drop by for snacks and webcomic talk when traveling.
Worthy of another thread I'd say. I'll start one.
How about The Secret Friends Society? And loose coalitions like The Daily Grind and Truth and Beauty Bombs?
[quote:c9b48949b4="joezabel"]How about The Secret Friends Society? And loose coalitions like The Daily Grind and Truth and Beauty Bombs?
I think I have T&BB in there. The Secret Friends Society would work although it's only two people right? (Hope Larson and Kean Soo) No hard and fast rule but obviously there's some threshold here, otherwise I'd wind up listing a lot of things that didn't mean much in terms of permanence or actual "group" identity.
The Daily Grind is a bit more competition than cooperation though.
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Help Me Know All of The Webcomic Collective/Groups Out There
Here's a list of the ones I have right now in the Library - if you know of others give me the name and the URL so I can add them. I'm calling them affiliates but the idea is groups of creators who've banded together for artistic and/or business reasons. They should have about 5 or more members (approx.).
* Ape Law
* Biscuit Press
* Blank Label Comics
* Boxcar Comics
* Dayfree Press
* Dumbrella
* Hot Bullet Press
* Independent
* Pants Press
* Teh Gewd Guys
* The Nice
* UpDown Studio
Some more are:
Probeersel (http://www.probeersel.com/)
Eyeskream (http://www.eyeskream.com/)
Guerilla Press (http://www.guerilla-press.com/) - okay, the websites currently down. But check back in a day or two.
PV Comics (http://pvcomics.com/)
Playground Ghosts (http://www.playgroundghosts.com/)
Slipshine (http://www.slipshine.net/)
Transplant Comics (http://www.transplantcomics.com/)
UpDown Studio (http://www.updownstudio.com/)
Thanks John -
We are, however, making a distinction between affiliates of creators and publishers of webcomics. PV Comics and Slipshine are probably better described as publishers - not creator collectives.
Good suggestions though - keep 'em coming! :)
Panel2Panel.com - Sure, it's a collective of Glych's works, Gun Street Girls, Tangents Webcomic Reviews, and soon-to-be Steve Anderson's homepage for Reel Advice (movie reviews), but still. ;)
There's also bag of chips at http://bagofchips.net/, though I believe all but one of the comics is no longer updating.
Keenspot doesn't count?
http://spiderforest.com/
http://www.hyenacomics.com/
http://rampagesession.com/
(although I guess that is the host and the network is http://blacklistpress.com/)
http://www.uturncs.com/
Don't forget these publishers:
Keenspot: http://www.keenspot.com
Comic Genesis (formerly Keenspace*): http://www.comicgenesis.com
*A small note: If you have a .keenspace.com, .comicgenesis.com, or .comicgen.com extention, you're on Comic Genesis, NOT KEENSPOT!
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Admin, Comic Genesis (http://www.comicgenesis.com)
Artist, Stalag '99 (on CG!) http://stalag99.net
[quote:60a58bbb6e="TylerMartin"]Keenspot doesn't count?
Keenspot is a publisher - i.e., Crosby/Bleuel publish webcomics. It's not a perfect dividing line, but Keen and MT are publishers and in the library they're tied to webcomics, not creators.