Dedicated servers

KrazyKrow's picture

My webcomic is outgrowing my current shared hosting, I'm looking to switch to a dedicated server when my current plan expires next month.

I'm curious to know who the larger comics out there are using as hosts. I know Machall and Megatokyo are on Cologuys (http://www.cologuys.com) but as far as I can tell, they don't offer managed services.

I'd rather not have to deal with viruses and upgrades or whatever myself, so I'm looking for the cheapest managed server money can buy. Right now the top candidate looks like 1&1: http://www.1and1.com. They have a server with 500 GB of bandwidth for $59. It's pretty good on a per gig basis, but I'm afraid I'll outgrow that six months down the road. Are there any bargains out there in the 1000GB+ range?

KrazyKrow's picture

Dedicated servers

My webcomic is outgrowing my current shared hosting, I'm looking to switch to a dedicated server when my current plan expires next month.

I'm curious to know who the larger comics out there are using as hosts. I know Machall and Megatokyo are on Cologuys (http://www.cologuys.com) but as far as I can tell, they don't offer managed services.

I'd rather not have to deal with viruses and upgrades or whatever myself, so I'm looking for the cheapest managed server money can buy. Right now the top candidate looks like 1&1: http://www.1and1.com. They have a server with 500 GB of bandwidth for $59. It's pretty good on a per gig basis, but I'm afraid I'll outgrow that six months down the road. Are there any bargains out there in the 1000GB+ range?

Ghastly's picture

RE: Dedicated servers

Well... maybe Webcomics Nation will be up and running in a few months.
You can get 1300 GB for $120 here or 1000 GB for $100/month.

Bandwidth for less than 10 cents per gigabyte. Never thought I'd see the day back in 1999.

Give it two more years and I'm willing to bet it'll be impossible to find hosting being sold in any sizes under 1000 GB.

Eventually I think servers will move to the Webcomics Nation model. No charge for the bandwidth, you're charged instead for the features offered.

1000 GB is a hell of a lot of bandwidth to be pulling off a single comic. All of keenspace together draws only a little more than 1500 GB I believe.

That's the whole reason why Keen has been profitable. Ad rates are still only $1 CPM, but bandwidth has become dirt cheap. If it wern't for the drop in bandwidth prices I seriously doubt Keen would have survived much longer on $1 CPM ads.

KrazyKrow's picture

Wasn't Webcomics Nation going to be "running in a few months" over a year ago? :)

I saw the ev1 servers, but they're not managed. If you just need them to reboot the thing, they charge you $30. Ouch.

1000 GB *is* a helluva lot, but I do a fair amount of advertising, and need a host that can handle bursts of traffic. A banner ad might bring in 30,000 people, half of whom will read through the entire 200 page archives, with each page hovering around 300 kb.

I might end up cranking the jpg compression instead of looking for a wonderhost.

Snoozer's picture

I have a dedicated server through colo guys. http://www.cologuys.com/ It's about $150 a month, but you get unlimited bandwidth and 80 gigs. I haven't had any problems with down time.

CB
Alpha Shade
http://www.alpha-shade.com

xerexes's picture

[quote:e0f28755dd="Snoozer"]I have a dedicated server through colo guys. http://www.cologuys.com/ It's about $150 a month, but you get unlimited bandwidth and 80 gigs. I haven't had any problems with down time.

CB
Alpha Shade
http://www.alpha-shade.com

I have no specific impression of Colo Guys but unlimited bandwidth is a myth and any site that says unlimited bandwidth has some kind of choke policy - there is a limit and if you have a high traffic site you need to find it out. Because "unlimited bandwidth" sites may shut you off or charge you $$$$$ despite the "unlimited" claim.

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Yes, indeed. Beware the term "unlimited bandwidth". It's a form of marketing speak designed to confuse the casual consumer. A little lesson in bandwidth for the newly webified.

There are some hosts that don't charge you for bandwidth. But the term you're looking for is "unmetered" bandwidth, not "unlimited" bandwidth.

Unmetered bandwidth means just that. They don't meter your bandwidth (well they probably do, but you arn't charged by how much bandwidth you draw). Places like Keenspace and Keenspot are like that. There are other places too like that.

Unlimited bandwidth means they don't put a cap on how much bandwidth you can draw. For example, you might pay $5 a month for 20 gigabytes of bandwidth. Now if your site has limited bandwidth as soon as you draw 20 gigabytes of traffic your site shuts down and the server puts up a notice telling visitors (this site has used all its bandwidth for this month, please check back next month). If your account has "unlimited bandwidth" and you reach your 20 gigs and move on the site remains up, but the bandwidth you are using is metered and you are charged for it (usually a rediculously high rate too).

Bandwidth is like peanuts. You can buy a small 100g snack pack of peanuts at the corner store for $.75 or you can go to the bulk-barn and buy a 2.5kg sack of peanuts for $5. The bulk store peanuts are much cheaper than the peanuts you buy at the corner store, but you have to buy a whole lot more peanuts, more than you will likely ever eat. This is what keeps companies like Keen in business. They don't buy bandwidth the way you as an individual webcomic artist might, with a piddly little 20gb account (I don't think anyone still sells hosting smaller than 20gb/month anymore. At one time you used to be able to get it as low as 5gb/month though). They buy a big wonking chunk of bandwidth. They'd never be able to afford the peanuts for all their artists if they had to buy them in individual snack-packs. It would costs thousands and thousands a month.

I would not doubt that at $150/month the Colo Guys account is, indeed "unmetered" bandwidth because $150 will buy you a whole shirt-load of bandwidth, far more than most people will ever use. The Colo Guys realize this and they know that even though some people will draw more than $150 worth of bandwidth from them, the vast majority will never come close to drawing that much so when all things are added up, they win. Now it might just be "unlimited" bandwidth but at $150 it would have a cap so high that it's likely snoozer simply hasn't reached it yet.

I would not be surprised at all if in the future all internet hosting is sold "unmetered". In fact, I'd expect that by 2007 metered bandwidth could well be a thing of the past. Your hosting will be charged based on the services they offer you and based on how much file storage you get. If bandwidth is sold at all in metered packets people will probably be paying per terrabyte what they pay per gigabyte now and you'll be buying a 5 terrabyte hosting wether you use it or not.

Now it might seem rediculous but you have to realize too that in the very near future all internet access will be broadband. This will cause websites to become bigger and bigger and offer more and more content which will cause a demand for hosting in the terrabytes to be the norm. By 2007 a site that draws only 1 terrabyte of bandwidth per month would probably be considered small.

When I was a kid you could actually buy a 1 megabyte hard drive for the commodore 64. I used to have a whopping 5 megabyte apple II+ hard drive. On the PC a 10 megabyte hard drive was more than enough for any user and only the serious power business users needed a 20 megabyte hard drive. The first time I saw a 100megabyte hard drive I damned near plotzed. The thing was not only huge in terms of what it could store but it was physically almost as big as a PC of the time. All those hard drives would not even be capable of holding the operating system required to run today's computers.

Trust me. Internet bandwidth is going to be the same thing. In a couple more years we'll be looking back and wondering how we ever managed to get by with less than a terrabyte of bandwidth.

KrazyKrow's picture

Thanks for the input. I've seen Cologuys before, and it looks like they're offering 1mbit, unmetered. So if your page ever has more than 1 mbit of traffic, it starts to slow down.

I'm going to give 1&1 a try, $60 for a managed server looks like a pretty good deal, and they have a 90 day moneyback guarantee.

Snoozer's picture

Quote:
"unmetered" bandwidth, not "unlimited" bandwidth.

That is the correct term for the account I have, although most normal webcomic creators don't know what it means. I didn't :)

This is off the colo site

Quote:
- Pentium 4 2.6Ghz CPU
- 1 Mbit Un-Metered
- 512 Megs DDR2700 Ram
- 80 Gig 7200 RPM Drive
- Web-based Server Control

And from this months admin logs for my site.

Quote:
Used Max
Disk Space (mb) 17.5 unlimited
Bandwidth (gb) 40.628 unlimited
E-Mails 3 unlimited
Ftp Accounts 1 unlimited
Databases 2 unlimited

Bandwidth (meg) 41603.2 unlimited

CB
Alpha Shade

Sun, 01/09/2005 - 14:00 — KrazyKrow
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Snoozer: Just how "managed" is a Cologuys server? Will they install security updates for you, or do you have to handle the technical aspect yourself?

Sun, 01/09/2005 - 15:31 — Snoozer
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They're good at keeping the server up and running, anything other than that is an uphill battle...

I have two tracking systems webalizer and AWstats. Neither work right... after many calls and promises to look into it, 10 months later nothing has been fixed. If un metered bandwidth and excellent up time is what you're looking for, they're great. Anything beyond that's iffy.

CB
Alpha Shade

Tue, 01/11/2005 - 03:22 — Jae
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[quote:7d96aa2ad7="Ghastly"]When I was a kid you could actually buy a 1 megabyte hard drive for the commodore 64. I used to have a whopping 5 megabyte apple II+ hard drive. On the PC a 10 megabyte hard drive was more than enough for any user and only the serious power business users needed a 20 megabyte hard drive.

When I was a kid, our first computer didn't even have a hard drive. Everything had to be run off of floppies. In WordPerfect you had to type on a blue screen and I spent 3 hours one day after typing up a paper trying to figure out why half of it was italicized when you printed it out but it wasn't on the screen. And I had to walk uphill to school both ways. Seriously. Big hills.

Ah, the good old days.

Wed, 02/09/2005 - 12:42 — KrazyKrow
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I've had the server for almost a week now, so I thought I'd post an update.

It's zippy-fast... when it works. I've had about 8 hours of downtime so far, and it's down as of me posting this. I'm hoping that these are just teething troubles, and that the server will become reliable soon. Their service isn't that great, e-mails take 6 hours to a day to be answered.

I'm stuck in an unfortunate middle ground right now, I've outgrown all the shared hosting packages, but I can't afford to move up to a good ($150+) managed server yet. Even if 8 hours a week downtime is normal for 1&1, I can't afford anything else.

Mon, 02/14/2005 - 20:24 — KrazyKrow
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The server seems fine now, I think the trick was to use their phone tech support rather than their e-mail tech support. I'm not sure I'd reccomend them yet though, I'll see in another month.

Thu, 07/07/2005 - 19:34 — TylerMartin
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I use Ev1 Servers, formerly Rackshack.

It was scary at first, not knowing much about linux or internet servers. But it was my only option I could find at the time after being kicked off a couple "unlimited" bandwidth sites of the time.

It came with Ensim control panel which made it pretty easy to set up my domains and stuff. You are suppose to maintain your own server but the techs there have always been really helpfull and imediately available 24/7 through trouble tickets or live chat.

I had some down time though, little glitches, oversized log files, a server compromise. But I've learned a lot, that's for sure.

Last month I used 800 gig of my 1000 gig alloted bandwidth though so I'll probably eventually be looking to upgrade the server, maybe the unmetered is the way to go, I would have no reason to switch companies though, other than price, seems the cologuys are pretty cheap on the unmetered.

I'm sure I could benefit from a faster server too, its just an old Celeron. Poor little guy.

-Tyler

Thu, 07/07/2005 - 21:04 — xerexes
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800 gigs? What do you have on that server?! Wait don't answer that... :)

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Thu, 07/07/2005 - 21:10 — TylerMartin
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[quote:522568a88a="xerexes"]800 gigs? What do you have on that server?! Wait don't answer that... :)

Heh...no.

Cartoons of rock stars actually...heh.

http://rocktoons.com

Sat, 07/09/2005 - 06:12 — KrazyKrow
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I've been really happy with 1&1, the server has been running near flawlessly since February. The only time it ever seemed slow was the one day I transferred 50 gigs. They've changed their packages around now, now the cheapest dedicated server costs $79 and comes with 1000 GB of bandwidth.

I'd say the only downside is that I can't make a custom 404 page, I miss my old Kim Jong Il rap:
http://www.krakowstudios.com/404.shtml

Sat, 07/09/2005 - 12:08 — RanJado
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Unless your on some weird machine, you can do a "custom" 404 page using a .htaccess file. Just search 404 and .htaccess in google to find out how.

Sat, 07/09/2005 - 14:16 — TylerMartin
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Yeah, as Ran said you just need to create a file in the your root website folder called:

.htaccess

You cannot make a file named that on your windows machine though. So just make an htaccess.txt file and put this in it...

ErrorDocument 404 /404.shtml

After you upload it to your server you will need to rename it to .htaccess which can easily be done if your server management software has a builtin file manager, or with an FTP program or at the shell login.

-Tyler

Sat, 07/09/2005 - 14:19 — TylerMartin
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Heheh, looks like there is an .htaccess file in place already...

http://www.marilith.com/.htaccess

So you should be able to edit or replace it. They just have it said up with a default 404 error for you, and a 403 =).

-Tyler

Sat, 07/09/2005 - 20:24 — KrazyKrow
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Thanks :)